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The many claimed AOL miracles – Do they really happen ?

August 7, 2012

This blog focuses on the dark sides of AOL which are not openly talked about. But then, what about the all good stuff @ AOL ? We often hear of miraculous things…stuff that happens while one engages in an AOL activity. Is it at all true ?

Yes, it is…they do happen …That has been my experience. That is what made me stay for many many years and intensified my belief in my “then” Guru HHSSRS. In fact they happened so incessantly that it left me no room / reason at to doubt/question this concept of Guru Grace (GG). In retrospect, clearly, what I did not pay attention to at that time was that these miracles used to happen to me before my AOL days and after my AOL days….EXCEPT THAT I was not recording and replaying them to others like I did when i was a teacher.

Lets take a closer look at what was really happening during these so labelled miracles. Also, lets explore whether the GG explains it all ???. Before we start doing that, lets first define a miracle….so that we are all on the same page


“Its something that feels like absolute magic because our current level of knowledge cannot explain it fully. It creates great positive emotions and a feeling of being blessed and lucky”

Note : Until such time we really have the knowledge and are familiar with its working, it will continue to seem like magic. If we are inquisitive, we could learn it for ourselves and keep replicating it for our own use and fun.

Now, what are the typical miracles that are usually are talked about in the AOL circles ?.

1. Usually, its health / body related positive changes (very simple and elegant disappearing of negative body symptoms….such as BP, Blood Sugar, Migraines, Body pains, tumors…and many such).

2. Synchronicity and Synchronous happenings. (Sudden infusion wealth, smooth passage/travel through difficult terrain, think of a person and there they appear or they are calling you the very next minute, think of a food item and someone brings it to you a hour later….that type of thing)

For the uninitiated and for those who have not read or experienced this from other paths / schools and are experiencing this MAGIC for the 1st time in an AOL session ….for most parts the ONLY explanation that they will be offered by their teacher and that this is “Guru Grace” in action.

Could there be the other possible explanations for the same phenomenon ?.

The healing side of it is explained very well by the below 2 links. Enjoy.

http://www.care2.com/greenliving/how-energy-healing-happens-even-over-the-phone.html#comments

The below video is a Bruce Lipton video and this man is an acknowledged WW authority on the subject.

These above mentioned healing principles work very well for energy practitioners such as Reiki, Theta Healing and so on. In fact they work all the time.

The synchronous side of things is well explained here

http://www.flowpower.com/What%20is%20Synchronicity.htm

Now, also attempt think / view your life experience the following way

1. Your body is a superb machine – A remarkable biological computer
2. All powerful Consciousness operates through your body
3. The lowest denominator of consciousness is your feeling and the associated thoughts that go with it.
4. Every thought you entertain is like a line of code that gets executed on your biological computer’s CPU (the brain).
5. Your conscious memory is your RAM. Your unconscious memory is your hard disk (Stored in your DNA and carried forward too).
6. The results instead of appearing on a screen as would happen on a regular computer, in your life they manifest in your external world. ie You are the cause and effect of everything happening to you.
7. Connecting to the external world (media, TV, other humans) is like being on the internet. That can have a great influence on you and your perceptions/choices. Your belief systems will change when you are that well connected…ie you are open. This is also why AOL will want to lock you to only AOL knowledge. To keep you in the golden cage.
8. The more your brain (CPU) is free of stress and is relaxed ie.. less loaded with all the thinking/worrying, the faster can all all the thoughts be processed, bringing in faster/greater results. Just as in your PC, if you load it with too many internet downloads and programs its slows down all your other programs and results are delayed.
9. When you get into a dedicated 5 day or 6 day AOL program, you have willingly suspended thoughts about rest of your world and started to go deep within into the silence and there is little disturbance or distractions. Now, your intentions have to manifest faster. The same thing happens when you go for a Vipassana program which is ABSOLUTELY FREE of charge.
10. If you have been a meditator for a while, you tend to carry that space within you ….and that is also the energy your emit. Its attractive..because its smooth and carried not all the disturbances.

Try seeing your journey so far keeping the above model in mind and see how it resonates with you. If you connect to this idea well, you will be able to explain syncronicity better to yourselves. Observe how synchronous things happen best when you are in LOVE (with anything…even with yourself…that is what a non-chattering mind does to you, less stress, you are at ease and like yourself more).

Lets take a look at another deliberately propagated belief systems @ AOL which is supposed to work only because of the GG — Lets Consider the AOL Blessing Process :-

Its ultra hyped and not very well understood !!! The below is a potential explanation of this process based on my real life explorations and understanding at this time

The crown chakra (right on top of your head) is your gateway to divine energy. Most of us are totally unaware that it even exists.

First timers to the term crown chakra can visit http://www.healer.ch/crownchakra.html to learn about this. Or better still just google it.

When someone places their hand deliberately on the top of your head, you become acutely aware of your own crown chakra, and your attention to it opens it even more. More divine energy flows in. That is how you feel the high and other related sensations. But the explanation being given to you by your AOL blesser is that its the power of his/her master working through the Blesser who was specially initiated by the master.

Also, observe this around you, for many so called AOL blessers the blessing actually does not work. However, they will not be open or talk about it. That is usually because they do not want it work…at the back of their minds, they feel guilty and small and not deserving of such an experience.

However, if anyone (yes anyone) would just experiment with this process with an open mind…without being bothered about any specific outcome….save that at the time of the blessing you carry this in your mind and heart… “MAY the OUTCOME BE THE BEST OUTCOME FOR ALL OF US, especially the BLESSEE” do it with genuine feeling …..please try it and see….Life is indeed full of Magic….Enjoy

When you do attempt it, it would perhaps work better with someone who does not know you from before…since this would make both parties more open. Don’t call it a blessing. Call it energy transfer or something similar…where there is no suggested in-equality (even remotely)… just a facilitated conduit like process for receiving divine energy. At this time, just ape what an AOL blesser does physically and see the magic unfold in your own journey. One thing though, when done, ie..after a little bit, kindly do educate your fellow participant, that it is all with them…and that you have just been a catalyst in the process.

If you start staking a claim to the outcome yourself, you may potentially not serve yourself any better as you would have just bloated your own ego.

In summary :

Guru Grace is not the only explanation for the so labeled AOL miracles. The miracles / synchronicity will absolutely work as long as your adhere to nature’s / Life’s inherent laws. AOL’s ploy is that they give all the credit to the GG story and when unfortunate events happen suddenly you will find that the guru is no more a part of it….AND it is because of the bad karma of the participant.

Well, this above model has many fallacies and will not work for anyone that considers themselves a free being.

In the final reckoning —- What they tell you is important, but what they do not tell you could be even more important for you. GG not only stands for Guru Grace it also stands for Goodness Gracious, Good God, Great Gyan, Good Game, Great Going, Good Girl, Great Grandmother and Good Grief.

You choose.

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42 Comments
  1. anonyfunct permalink
    August 7, 2012 3:30 pm

    Is it just me, or is it that blogisatwa is sounding more and more like VSS?

    • stupidseeker permalink
      August 8, 2012 5:00 am

      @anonyfunct,

      All incredulity on this blog is reserved exclusively for Mr. Ravi Shankar and his AOL. Based on this post,other supernaturalists and woo peddlers get a free pass.

      Some time back The Doctor has published a post on some breathing technique and made the grandiose claim that this technique is safer than the SKY based on no evidence whatsoever.

  2. stupidseeker permalink
    August 7, 2012 4:10 pm

    @Bloggisatwa,

    The way I see this post Bloggisatwa, you are attempting to replace the AOL story with other stories such as those of Reiki and pranic healing.

    There isn’t any evidence at all that stuff like Reiki or chakra activation really “works”, beyond having the effects of a placebo. Similarly there is no evidence that the seven chakras are actual real entities. Even Patanajali used the used “kalpanik” in reference to the chakras.

    If the chakras or some such really exist or reiki has any evidence of any real tangible therapeutic benefit beyond a placebo then there is really no reason to doubt Ravi Shankar’s enlightenment and conclude that all his actions are divinely inspired thereof.

  3. Anonymous permalink
    August 7, 2012 7:43 pm

    Dear Bloggisatwa…A brilliant point of view indeed.
    Though major healing for me happened during the first one month of reading the blogs there are reminiscent psychological notions that I still carry from my AOL days…
    The more I read and understand the more clarity I have on what went on in AOL and how I fell for the manipulations. In fact this understanding is helping me in life in general – not to succumb to such manipulations and to use my critical thinking where necessary.
    I had been initiated for Reiki few years back but do not practice it. There was one take away point from studying Reiki which is – be a conduit for divine energy. I had decided then that instead of placing my hand to heal a person I would just be a conduit of divine energy in my everyday life and actions. It was a fleeting intention in the past which has only been reinforced reading this article.

  4. Anonymous permalink
    August 7, 2012 10:17 pm

    @SS

    “If the chakras or some such really exist or reiki has any evidence of any real tangible therapeutic benefit beyond a placebo then there is really no reason to doubt Ravi Shankar’s enlightenment and conclude that all his actions are divinely inspired thereof.”

    Why should these things have anything to do with Ravi Shankar faking enlightenment.

    This is an illogical connection you are trying to establish to make your invalid religious comments, valid.

    • bloggisatwa permalink
      August 8, 2012 1:04 am

      @ SS

      Placebo or not…..they all work. They worked very well for me. AND I have observed them working for believers and non-believers in the system. As I say this I asked myself what was I at the time I experimented with these other systems….Was I a believer or non-believer ?.

      Definitely Not a believer, also not a non-believer, definitely a skeptic….but still open. This is how I remember myself at that time.

      I agree with you in the sense that they all claim to work. Its the individual’s perspective that determines whether they set themselves FREE or fall prey to the very system that is supposed to empower them (This applies any system and its propagators, not just AOL).

      In case you are curious and have not judged ALREADY, perhaps you may love to physically verify these for yourself. When it happened to me…..it was so unbelievably empowering, I cant ever forget those moments for the rest of my life. Even now, when I think of them it still feels awesome. I am sharing with you some of what happened to me SS…really its your call.

      Also, my investment into these programs was way more than superficial. Time, energy, volunteering, assisting..I did all of that in these other systems as well. In the early days my results shocked me. I was just not able to accept that it was real. So I kept trying again and again. It turned out that they weren’t some random thingie or a fluke. They worked all the time. It hooked me. I kept exploring, meeting more people, questioning, it was not enough for me that it worked,….I wanted to know more…how does it work ?. More traveling, more seminars, more teachers, more hanging out with these type of folks. Some of them (not all) turned out to be truly genuine, compassionate and caring humans. I was lucky.

      Essentially, all of these…what are they ? For me, they are is just a bunch of basic models (life views) of explaining certain esoteric occurrences that are quite common but go usually unnoticed. But, these are are consistent, predictable and repeatable as long as the variables are well understood. I used names such as reiki/theta and so on so folks could relate to it. Also, I am familar with them myself. BTW I am not promoting anything. What could I possibly gain ?. At this time, for instance, I don’t even need you to agree with anything I say.. Anything is fine. Your comment was the catalyst for this reply. I share on this blog what has worked well for me. That is the long and short of it. Neither has any of what I write, any religious background…as I have had very little formal religious exposure.

      With regard to “no real proof”…whatever you said, at that level applies for Meditation as well. Why, it even applies to the entire Electrical and Electronics world which works on the basic principle that electrons exist. But they don’t…ask any quantum physicist. The electron in itself is not a physical thing. Its just a packet of energy (quantum) which has a high probability of making itself available at a certain time at a certain place. So far no one has seen one or isolated one. The quantum physicist will debunk the Newtonian model. Talk about this to a string theory proponent and they will tell you quantum theory is all hogwash…and give you many valid lines of thinking to support this. Ultimately, its a model to attempt and explain to ourselves how stuff works. At which of these many levels (probably non ending levels) you fit in is really dependent on what you want to do with the knowledge and how you want to apply it in your journey. Essentially your motive / purpose and inclinations. Without real life applications, all knowledge is pretty useless….what’s the point ? For instance, one could post here because we want to be right…or we could post here because writing here effects learning…both for the writer and the reader. The starting point and intent is really everything.

      And, behind all these human practiced energy models are certain underlying principles that you figure out eventually. However, just as in AOL, each of these schools will not talk about it openly. Everyone would like a proprietary angle/stake to it…to make it feel unique…some kind of protectionism. I state a few below.

      1. Energy follows attention.
      2. In the Reiki system for example, you can actually avoid all the complicated Reiki symbols. All that is relevant at the moment of healing is the amount of compassion you feel in your heart. However, most people don’t top using the symbols. They feel a certain degree of comfort in using a tried and tested method. The stuff actually works.
      3. Ability be sensitive and use our own body as a measure of testing the well being of the other person.

      You could easily figure this all out without going to any one of these schools, provided you invested the time and recorded all your findings with your own trials. You will need to develop your own protocols for this. Its not difficult. There are many many ways of exploring these things.

      Finally : My original intent behind writing the post

      The earlier piece I wrote such as the Inwinex bit are pretty hard hitting to the normal AOL devotee. It hurts. These are irrefutable facts. I cant see anyone in AOL explaining these away or pooh poohing them. It is out there in your face for all to SEE that too exposed by a public forum such as the Bombay Stock Exchange. It becomes clear to even the dumbest of followers that AOL is not what is says it is and that there are many financial manipulations happening behind it…backed by suspicious motives. Money being most of everyone’s pet peeve these days this post grabs attention. If I were an existing devotee hooked onto the AOL system, this would hurt me and hurt me bad…as it also destroys my image with friends and family. But at the same time I do not want to let go because I desperately need to KEEP in my life all these unexplained and great guru grace happenings…So, I may choose to stay on with a wait and watch attitude, potentially get trapped and be miserable instead of freeing myself in the present time.

      This post is meant to give such a person who is on the wall…the trust, the confidence and the feel that they will not miss that wow factor / the magic / the grace and that it will be available to them even after leaving AOL…and in fact it has always been there for them. Its within…PERIOD.

      BTW, should you be still interested, there is plenty of scientific proof on the chakra system. Just google “kirlian camera chakra” and see where it takes you.

      • Anoop permalink
        August 8, 2012 3:40 am

        google guruji miracles and you will see proof that Gurudev has miracle powers…

        See Dushyant’s blogs – you will see how Gurudev saved his life and tranformed him..

        Except few of these blogs.. all other “real” experiences in internet tell us that SKY solves depression, asthma , all respiratory problems , heart diseases and many cases cancer.

        Just google and find out.

        If you are asking for proof, then ask any quantum scientist about electrons !!!

      • stupidseeker permalink
        August 8, 2012 4:54 am

        @Bloggisatwa,

        Then please put a caveat that all your claims about Reiki and divine energy healing is only your PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, lest some credulous person taking heed of your advice takes some ailing family member to a reiki practioneer and then finds out that the same hasn’t effect at all on the disease process.

      • stupidseeker permalink
        August 8, 2012 4:56 am

        @Bloggisatwa,

        And in which peer reveiwed journal has “Kirlian camera photography” been published ?? And which other scientists have been able to reproduce the findings ??

  5. stupidseeker permalink
    August 8, 2012 5:31 am

    @All,

    Before anyone jumps to the conclusion that Reiki works better than or is more “scientific”, than the grace of the Guru please go throught the below mentioned link for a second perspective.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Reiki

  6. anonymous permalink
    August 8, 2012 7:23 am

    @ bloggisatwa

    is obiwan’s mail id working ? Please verify and let me know

    • bloggisatwa permalink
      August 8, 2012 11:11 am

      As far as I know it has not changed.

  7. Anonymous permalink
    August 8, 2012 1:58 pm

    I don’t know of miracles per se. There are or have been definite instances of what, in my opinion, would be a display of “siddhis” or certain talents that can be aquired by a person who practices the pujas that Ravi Shankar practices. I hope that this doesn’t spark some long discussion of whether or not hindu scriptures are full of BS and that siddhis don’t exist, etc. What I’m trying to say, is that I believe that Ravi Shankar has acquired some of these siddhis, and uses them to blind followers. Siddhis do not make a person enlightened or good or nice. They are simply achievements, like reading well in any science and getting a PhD. The difference is that few people practice pujas to get these things, so they seem miraculous when performed. Examples are things like producing an asked for flower scent on demand from his hand. This is a minor, but real siddhi, which I have seen him perform many times. Another is to appear to someone in subtle form in another place. So people then think he is God. I know I did. One has to remember even the worst demons in Hindu scripture all possessed these same siddhis. And in greater number and intensity than those displayed by Ravi Shankar. People are blinded by these displays, and then follow him, doing whatever he commands. He has bragged that he had the siddhi to enter a person’s body and occupy it and wipe out most of that person’s mind and intentions, and replace them with his own. He said that these people operate with “less than 25% of their own personality”. He was delighted and proud of this ‘achievement’. I did notice that many people had his habits, and even I noticed myself craving foods and other things that I knew that I never preferred. This may sound like nothing but guru-worship, but I viewed it coldly as an intrusion on my privacy, and noted how much of these traits and preferences fell away from me when I was not around him for extended periods of time, say a month. As time would pass, those things that were like him decreased and disappeared. If what I’m saying is so, if these things do exist, as I believe they do, it explains in further detail why he is so adept at brainwashing people he chooses to do his bidding. I’m just not sure it’s so simple as psychological processes at work. I truly believe that he uses his boasted about siddhis to control and harness the energy and bodies of many many people, unbeknownst to most of them. When I asked him if this wasn’t just brainwashing, he replied “what’s wrong with that? Most people have dirty minds that need to be washed…” And I heard him say that in public as well. The good news is, for those who don’t know, the scriptures also state that one who uses such siddhis for gain, eventually loses them, and falls down quite hard. Let’s watch and see what happens to him. Maybe he will change his ways, give back all the stolen charity money, and go to the mountains and meditate, which is what he should do.

    • Meditator permalink
      August 9, 2012 5:00 am

      Anonymous August 8, 2012 1:58 pm

      Exactly what I think. I never bothered to write about it, knowing well what would be the reaction of people to this. However, could not resist supporting your view point. You are absolutely correct in mentioning that Siddhis are lost if you do not use them for the benefit of society and use it for personal gains.

      As regards alternative healing techniques, I know IT WORKS. I too practice a few of them and am friends with quite a few who are much more advanced in these techniques than I am. Everyone, that I know of are humble and devoted and never do this for publicity.

    • Anoop permalink
      August 9, 2012 8:46 am

      So there can be a possibility ( atleast small %) that AOL and Gurudev are on the right side, and people who on this blog are away from AOL for the time being because of their bad karma in past lives.

      Miracles and super natural is a possibility. Perhaps I should explore more.

      • Anonymous permalink
        August 9, 2012 1:58 pm

        Anoop….Anonymous August 8, 2012 1:58 pm said that in our scriptures even demons had Siddi’s….meaning that Siddi’s does not necessarily mean GOOD or RIGHT. Please understand before exploring !

      • Anoop permalink
        August 10, 2012 8:45 am

        Most people in this blog oppose AOL because it makes money..

        Most believe in Siddis, miracles, reincarnations but see Ravi as a bad demon instead of a good one.

        I dont believe in Siddis, miracles, reincarnations. I do not have enough knowledge in science nor in spirituality/religion to debate on this.

      • Anonymous permalink
        August 10, 2012 3:51 pm

        Suppose so, Anoop, if “right side” means lying, cheating, defaming people, and amassing wealth in the name of God and charity.

  8. Anonymous permalink
    August 8, 2012 2:44 pm

    SS, Anoop & all.

    There are a good number of people who believe in alternative healing and do not wait for scientific proof and rely more on their experience or rely on how it makes them feel. Among such there are a good number that subscribe their healing to a certain individual or methodology.

    In this article Bloggisatwa is in no way giving a free pass to other supernaturalists and woo peddlers. It actually reaches out to people that subscribe their healing to such people to reconsider and understand how they are actually being healed.

    An atheist is allowed to NOT believe and believer has all the rights to believe. The only thing a few of us ex-aolers are trying to do here in this blog is to make sure that the believers understand that they need not attribute any experiences they have in AOL or any such cult – to the leader of the cult and understand that healing would happen even without this attribution if they will. This would be truly empowering for them which would free them from the manipulative cycle.

    When we start relying heavily on something we become vulnerable and succumb to manipulations. Rely in your own self and be empowered is the message here – clear and loud.

    • Meditator permalink
      August 9, 2012 5:04 am

      Guess you are the Anonymous of August 8, 2012 1:58 pm. Fully agree with you once again 🙂 Why not give yourself an alias/name, so that people can identify with your comments.

  9. Anonymous permalink
    August 8, 2012 5:02 pm

    Does anyone here know what happened to The Doctor, Whistleblower, Skywalker and others? Were they required by the lawsuit not to post? If you know please post.

    • freeOne permalink
      August 10, 2012 6:48 pm

      I guess they all moved on, leaving the AOL behind!

  10. Meditator permalink
    August 9, 2012 5:19 am

    Is anyone aware of “Sri Sri Sports Club/Academy”. Found this posted on someones Facebook wall.

    “Jgd dear, opening our 12th Sri Sri Sports Club in Punjab, 11 were in Karnataka.. We rock..”

    Found this link by googling. The modus operandi seems to be the same – money, money and money.

    http://allofmyinterest.com/chatrooms/2012/08/sri-sri-sports-academy-tennis-tournament-for-children-bangalore/

  11. AnonYmous permalink
    August 9, 2012 6:53 am

    @ Bloggisatwa

    A truly enlightening post. Please, if possible and if you think it right, do Not take this post down too soon, like the previous one.
    I would like to go through this post again before I comment on the content.

  12. Guru-Ouch permalink
    August 9, 2012 7:25 am

    Dear AOL or any other NGO trying to find “spiritual business” in Assam, I sincerely request you to stop. Coz., you are diluting the reason behind this problem. The problem in Assam is illegal immigrants from across the border infiltrating the sovereign India. The problem is the unnatural change in demographics of the country, which, could be a ploy by enemies of India to create more trouble through this route. The native people of Assam are trying to fight it and has resulted in this disturbance. Dear AOL, don’t try to dampen the reason behind this fight by your pseudospiritual peace of mind approach and quieten this fight. This will only pave way for more enemies to inflitrate India. You could always try to sell your “peace of mind” business to the rich and corporate class people. Please don’t try to make a business out of this problem by asking for donations as this will only dilute the core purpose of this unrest in Assam.

  13. ANON permalink
    August 9, 2012 11:44 am

    Few Comments:
    1. Scientific beliefs (and many other things besides, but I wont go into these now) change with time. Today science is talking of the Higgs Boson and ten dimensions etc. Such concepts were unthinkable a few years back. Today science is not able to explain several phenomenon such as telepathy (one or two scientists may have theories, but these are not proven scientific fact as we know it. The same could be true of chakras – which are energy centers.
    During meditation some people, including the writer experience vibrations at some of these centers.
    Let me also point out that the concept of Chakras is not an invention of Sri Sri but is spread across many Indian Schools of thought.

    2. Sri Sri has only brought the practice of Sudarshan Kriya into the fold. Other aspects that he teaches can be found in several ancient texts and schools of thought. And there are several discourses on these by him.
    Another major point he always m eakes is that there is no ‘ Original Sin’ and ‘God is within you’.When the points are made here about energy flow etc. it is precisely that what is happening during the kriya or the blessing processes. For any ‘energy’ healing process to work the recipient has to be receptive and positive – let us see
    Whether you call it energy flow or a miracle it works for these people.

    3. The role of a Guru in Indian thought is that of a Guide who helps you discover ‘God’ / the Absolute….. etc. etc. – there are so many names for it.

    4. Every Guru achieves fame through some kind of followers who indulge in marketing his products- thoughts/ teachings / writing etc.
    This is true of every prophet and teacher in history. The miracles of Jesus, Krishna, Mohammed and several others, would they not be also similarly explained through energy flow. These were then spread and marketed by their followers in many ways. Some of these followers would be recorded by history some not.
    The same is true for Sri Sri. Like others in history, and we have seen recent cases of Sai Baba of Shirdi, the followers tend to deify the Guru or the Teacher. That however does not detract from the worthiness of the Teacher or his Teachings.

    We expect perfection from our Idols, but no one is perfect. Because the concept of perfection is itself is subjective and prone to change. The inter-religious strife happening
    everywhere is a clear pointer to this.
    In Indian thought even Ram and Krishna have a certain number of qualities though they are worshiped as Gods. Shiva is supposed to drink and lose his temper. So why do we expect Sri Sri to be perfect.

    As I mentioned earlier, the followers tend to hide the Guru’s weaknesses. This will keep happening.

    5. Elsewhere in the blog I have seen people criticizing Sri Sri and then asking for the Sudarshan Kriya tapes. Why this hypocrisy.

    I have personally attended the Part 1 and Part 2 courses and benefited immensely from them. Whatever it is, it has helped me.

    Has anyone seen Blessings being given by the Pope or many of the Organized Healing Groups Affiliated to various Churches. Hundreds believe it works for them. So can we say all preachers are all ‘Charlatans’. I dont think we can.

    Lastly in every organization there is excessive zeal and wrong practices creep in as it grows rapidly and ‘Imperfect Humans’ bring in diverse weaknesses.

    So it is right to expose the wrong doings – but there should be specific details that clearly point out the wrongdoings. By making general statements and sharing loose comments based on hearsay certainly is not the best way.

    • Anonymous permalink
      August 9, 2012 2:55 pm

      ANON – you are one of the rare one’s that accepts that RS is not perfect and not the doer of all good that happens. Most in AOL would attribute any good to the guru and any bad to their bad karma. We are writing to help such people be empowered. We are only acting as forum to discuss the guru’s imperfections so that the people who are enamored (deeply) by the guru to stop and take a look within and see how beautiful a human they are instead of attributing all the good the the guru. The main purpose of this blog is to empower all such people.
      The problem arises when there is way too much dependency on person or entity that we stop seeing the good within !!

    • Anonymous permalink
      August 10, 2012 3:49 pm

      This all sounds like rationalization of many bad deeds and even illegal dealings happening in AOL at the behest of Ravi Shankar. Slant it anyway you like — he is not claiming to be a religion, so please don’t compare with Pope, or Hinduism, etc. He is claiming to be an NGO with a spiritual leaning doing charity work. It’s all a scam. Sorry to tell you. Very little charity anything happens in AOL, certainly not at the level of the millions in donations which have ended up enriching his family. This is far from expecting perfection from him, as you put it. It’s expecting simply honesty and decency. Please don’t gloss over.

  14. August 9, 2012 5:41 pm

    @Bloggisatwa et al,

    Based on my own experiences of AoL and reading innumerable accounts of alleged miracles in the form of various Guru stories posted on pro-AoL blogs, my own research has led me to believe that 100% of everything that has ever happened in AoL which you and anyone else refer to as miracles can very easily be attributed to psychological manipulation of one form or another. I don’t see any need to try to explain these things by resorting to reiki, energy healing, chakras or anything else which generally falls under the remit of mysticism. Maybe these things are real, maybe they aren’t, but I don’t see any connection between any of them and anything which goes on in AoL. Nor do I have any reason to believe that RS has either Guru’s grace or any siddhis for that matter. I think these have sufficiently been debunked in Skywalker’s blog.

    • Nithin permalink
      August 10, 2012 9:18 am

      Obi Wan- I agree 100% with you 🙂

  15. AnonYmous aka WAY permalink
    August 10, 2012 3:26 pm

    One of the primary reasons why my stay in Aol was traumatic, was because of the severe brainwashing that happened.
    Terms like bad karmas, surrender, seva, Grace etc create a complex maze that takes a long time to exit.

    In the blessing course, the teachers said that reiki, sai baba miracles etc are nothing in comparision to blessings.

    Did blessings work for me? Yes, it did. How it works?…. I have no clue.

    Whenever I took blessings for severe pain, I got relief almost instantly. I thought this was the best thing that happened to me in aol . I was also excited about the Hassle free seva that I could do. So, I blessed and blessed people.
    I later noticed that when I blessed someone more than a couple of times in a week, they started acting like me. Talking like me. Behaving like me and I was behaving like them.

    What was shocking was that their problem was transferred to me!!

    I tried this a good number of times (especially after I stopped doing all sadhana) and I felt that my observation was correct.
    The person whom I blessed is very close to me but our nature is very very different.

    This made me wonder if there was some energy transfer / exchange happening in the aol blessings.

    So is it the Master’s energy that is being transferred as touted by the teachers or is it the Blesser’s energy?

    Like all the other aol courses, the effective working of this technique is also based on the myserious Guru grace theory. The exact principle behind the technique is not shared with the innocent participants.

    Meanwhile, I learnt Metta Bhavana in Vipassana .This is nothing but blessing the entire creation by SHARING THE MERITS of your meditation with them. I was happy that the technique was honestly explained.

    Although I found vipassana meditation very helpful, I decided to take a break from all this.

    I read the book “The Secret” by Rhonda Byrne. I spoke with some of my friends who were not into any spiritual practise but followed what was told in the book and it worked the same with all of us.
    When I had severe physical pain, instead of taking blessings, I would visualise that I am healthy and happy and I would get relief! I visualised my parents happy and it worked.

    Rhonda Byrne dosent say that she is an enlightened soul, a Guru who has incarnated at this time to wipe out peoples misery. You dont even have to pay a huge amount as Guru Dakshina to get the knowledge. The book is easily comprehensible. You dont need to bow down to her and surrender yourself to her. In short, you are not looking for a solution somewhere outside of You.. in some other person.
    You understand that you have the control over your life. It is so liberating to know that.

    Sometimes, when you drop all of these practices , you feel relaxed automatically. You become more perceptive and act more naturally. And things work, like they worked before we got into any of these courses. But if you need to keep your mind occupied, the healthy way, then choose a more risk free method like introspection , planning or visualisation….Where you know what you want and take complete charge of your life.

    If you wish to practice any other technique, make sure you understand it well. Be alert and aware and see how its working on you.

    Bloggisatwa, I agree with all the points that you have mentioned.
    Yes, we have the power within us to heal ourselves and to manifest what we want.
    We are the Masters of our lives.

    I appreciate your effort to shed light on such a complicated subject.

    • Anoop permalink
      August 11, 2012 5:47 am

      What is the explanation of your state becoming his state and his yours ? What do you think are the possibilities ?

      What happens in blessings course ?

      If I am depressed talking to a friend solves my issues. If somebody blames me my mood goes bad… Is that called energy transfer ? Is that what you guys speak about ?

      Dont promote illogical beliefs…. atleast in a blog which is trying to expose a fake master and these kind of practises

      • AnonYmous aka WAY permalink
        August 11, 2012 7:39 am

        @Anoop

        Some of your questions have been answered in my previous comment. However, I am re -posting the answers for your benefit.

        “What happens in blessings course ?”

        Did blessings work for me? Yes, it did. How it works?…. I have no clue.

        “What is the explanation of your state becoming his state and his yours ? What do you think are the possibilities ?”

        This made me wonder if there was some energy transfer / exchange happening in the aol blessings.
        So is it the Master’s energy that is being transferred as touted by the teachers or is it the Blesser’s energy?

        Well, this is what I could gather from my personal experience which is “real”. To understand the subject further, a more detailed study on the same will be required. Right now I am still recovering from the side effects of SK. As mentioned in my earlier comments, I am here to know what exactly happened to me in AOL and how the organisation works. So, with time I hope to get the answers to my questions. Btw, if you have done the blessing course, please do what I did and then share your experience.

        “Dont promote illogical beliefs…. atleast in a blog which is trying to expose a fake master and these kind of practises”

        I think its a bit rich coming from you, especially after going through the below post.
        https://beyondaolfree.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/the-many-claimed-aol-miracles-do-they-really-happen/#comment-617

        However, I am glad that you have atleast started thinking about something called illogical beliefs. Can you look at AOL members positive experiences and the guru stories on the same lines? You may also want to understand the concept of mind manipulation and how it works.

        What is your point of view on Blessings? Has aol given any logical explanation to how it work?

        “If I am depressed talking to a friend solves my issues. If somebody blames me my mood goes bad… Is that called energy transfer ? Is that what you guys speak about ?”

        ??? No, atleast I was talking only about AOL Blessings. In the above case,I probably would just use one of the AOL knowledge points to Save my Mind and energy 🙂

      • Anoop permalink
        August 12, 2012 7:59 am

        Comment 617 made by me was a sarcastic one…

  16. August 10, 2012 6:29 pm

    @SS and Mangal,

    I have removed all your comments from this post where you debated whether or not there is any scientific basis for any of these miracles/siddhis/chakras.energy healing and so on.

    SS – all you needed to do was to state your perspective in one comment, and in fact you have done that adequately in the comment I have left at the top. Everyone here is by now fully aware of your perspective regarding these matters, you’ve made them more than clear on countless occasions. There is absolutely no need for you to go into the details you went into since you are actually veering way off-topic – yet again.

    People here are free to agree or disagree with what Bloggisatwa has written, but they don’t need to go into a huge amount of detail as to why they hold a particular perspective. And you really need to be aware of the fact that nothing in any of your comments which have now deleted has actually helped to change anyone’s existing beliefs, whether they agreed with you beforehand or not. An expression I heard not too long ago which I think is particularly apt here goes along the lines of: For those who don’t believe, no proof is possible. For those who do, no proof is necessary.

    • Meditator permalink
      August 10, 2012 8:03 pm

      Thank you Obi-Wan.

      What is actually needed is that “Stupid” comments should never even get posted. “Stupidseeker” deserves the same treatment as VSS. I really do not know why he is still allowed to post on this blog.

  17. Mangal permalink
    August 10, 2012 9:13 pm

    Nirmukta’s expose of Shakti Drops Miracle is quite thorough
    this may the work or prodding of stupid seeker
    http://nirmukta.com/2012/08/06/pseudoscience-unchallenged-at-iit-kanpur/

    it was discussed earlier at
    http://aolfree.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/debunking-gurujis-grace-part-2/

    • Anoop permalink
      August 11, 2012 5:48 am

      These links should be circulated via facebook’s and twitters.

  18. AnonYmous aka WAY permalink
    August 12, 2012 11:39 am

    @ Anoop

    Oops! I simply failed to get the sarcasm, especially as this comment followed the previous one.
    https://beyondaolfree.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/the-many-claimed-aol-miracles-do-they-really-happen/#comment-641

    I must say, one of your previous comments did perplex me a bit.

    “Dont promote illogical beliefs…. atleast in a blog which is trying to expose a fake master and these kind of practises”

    What I shared was my understanding of my experience. And since you have admitted that :
    ” I dont believe in Siddis, miracles, reincarnations. I do not have enough knowledge in science nor in spirituality/religion to debate on this.”

    Since we are still in the learning phase, Don’t you think it would be more appropriate to keep others point of view in perspective, to understand a concept, before flatly dismissing it as an illogical belief?

    I would be glad to know your point of view on my experience.

    • Anoop permalink
      August 12, 2012 1:59 pm

      My point of view from your experience is –

      Probably blessings course really works !!! May be its worth the money and people should be encouraged to take AOL’s blessings course or any alternative blessings course..

      It seems to be a easy way to relieve pain and other issues

  19. AnonYmous aka WAY permalink
    August 12, 2012 3:03 pm

    @Anoop

    Yes Blessings did work for me as a pain killer.

    “What is the explanation of your state becoming his state and his yours ? What do you think are the possibilities”

    What I would really like to understand is how the technique works.

    Even as I explore the answer, I would still not encourage anyone to take up a course where the exact principle behind the technique is not shared with the participants, especially when the Blesse’s problem could get transferred to the Blesser!!

    The primary reason behind sharing my experience is so people understand what they are doing instead of Blindly doing something only because it works.

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